that seems to have helped a bit! i know a lot of youtubers swear by lagarith and i was a bit skeptical when i saw the recording quality with matrox (noticeably worse than lossless) but the final product on youtube does seem better. smaller raw files are nice too. i used yours/jackfrags dxtory settings, and i used Thalmor's vegas (or movie studio platinum in my case) with the suggested 1 slice and 30-34mbps settings (no handbrake yet) and uploaded that, it does seem like we're getting closer to the standard of quality present with the popular youtubers. here's another test video and now jingles for comparison they look pretty much the same? i'll tinker with the settings a bit more and see what i can get, maybe i'm expecting too much from youtube but it does manage to get pretty good quality when the scene isn't moving, i notice it only goes bonkers when i start moving. if i could get it to look about the same that would be fantabulous.